Episode 23

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14th Jul 2025

Ep 23 – The Golden Child and the Scapegoat with Mel Guttman, IFS Therapist

Welcome back to the Healing Mothers’ Club! As part of the mini-series on the effects of narcissistic abuse on motherhood, Danik is joined by Mel Guttman, a licensed IFS therapist who specializes in narcissistic abuse and family estrangement.

In today’s episode, we cover:

  • What is self-gaslighting and how to get out of the fog;
  • How IFS Therapy and EMDR Therapy are game-changers for survivors of narcissistic abuse (and how talk therapy can only go so far);
  • Why you may want to maintain a relationship with your narcissistic parent as a mother yourself, even if you logically know maintaining the relationship can be toxic;
  • The “Scapegoat”, the “Golden Child”, and the narcissistic parent dynamic;
  • The moments that make us realize our parent is actually a narcissist (Mel makes a link with the show The Bear on Hulu);
  • The decision of going no-contact, low-contact, or to remain in full contact;
  • The fear our child might become a narcissist.

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Connect with Mel Guttman here:

Instagram: @fallengoldenchild

TikTok: @fallengoldenchild

Website: https://www.ifswitch.com

Connect with Danik Bernier here:

Instagram: @danikhelpsmoms

Website (EMDR Therapy in Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec): danikbernier.com

FREE guide: When the Scapegoat Becomes a Mom (a guide on assertiveness and boundary setting with your narcissistic mother)

DISCLAIMER :

This podcast is not meant to replace psychotherapy from a licensed mental health professional, does not give medical advice, is not a mental health assessment tool, and does not provide a diagnosis. This podcast is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only.

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About the Podcast

Healing Mothers' Club
Parenting After Childhood Trauma | Inner Child Healing | Nervous System Regulation
Welcome to the Healing Mothers' Club - the club no one signs up for, but so many of us belong to. This is the space where we learn to parent our kids AND ourselves after childhood trauma so we can live a full, authentic life. We’re all healing moms – whether you’re a mom to humans wanting to break the cycle of trauma in the family you’ve created, or you're a human in need of self-mothering to regulate your nervous system so you can stop the self-sabotage cycle – we’re all part of the same club. I invite you to join me, Danik Bernier, host of this podcast, healing mom, EMDR Certified therapist and Nervous System Coach on this journey towards trauma liberation and nervous system regulation. You can also find me on Instagram, @healingmothersclub. Check out the show notes for the link for a FREE coaching consultation.

DISCLAIMER
This podcast is not meant to replace psychotherapy from a licensed mental health professional, does not give medical advice, and does not provide a diagnosis. This podcast is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only.

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Danik Bernier

Danik is the host of this podcast, an EMDR certified therapist, consultant-in-training, nervous system coach and mom of 2.